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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Nov 16, 2006 8:20am
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6. 8/9/95

The End, my friend

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Nov 16, 2006 8:44am
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cosmiccharlie: aw.. you put a damper on it. =/

guess you're just statin' the reality though

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 16, 2006 8:50am
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From reading reviews and forum comments, I was under the impression the end came when the soundboards could no longer be downloaded

"In the end there's still that song
comes crying like the wind
down every lonely street
that's ever been"

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Poster: patkelley Date: Nov 16, 2006 10:42am
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If it ended in '77, how am I here?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 16, 2006 10:46am
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You got lucky with the Rapture? Consider yourself one of the chosen.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 16, 2006 11:14am
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or UNLUCKY walking the Earth as the UN-Dead

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 16, 2006 11:26am
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or Unlucky with a Rupture!!

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 16, 2006 11:43am
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I hope this doesn't offend anyone of the Christian persuasion but I asked this guy at work if you abstain from all the things that are pleasurable because they're " sins", then when you get your reward in heaven does that mean you can have all the booze, drugs, and orgies you want? Seems only fair to me.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 16, 2006 11:49am
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isn't that what the islamic suicide bombers are rewarded with too - something like 80 virgins or something??

as for the christian side - i dont see why we can't have it in both places as long as we do unto others as we would like done unto ourselves (or something like that anyways)

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Poster: patkelley Date: Nov 16, 2006 11:53am
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Virgins?? Fuck 'em!!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 16, 2006 11:56am
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now THAT's using your head!!

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Nov 16, 2006 6:58pm
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Oddly enough johnnyonthespot, and i speak in general terms here, but if you ask me, of all the various religious belief systems, there's one sub-sect/cult of Christianity that, when it comes to sinning, do it the best: Catholics. Hands down the biggest sinners and the ones who feel the most guilt about it afterward. Go figure.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 16, 2006 7:03pm
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that is only because they have the most rigid rules - the other christian "spin offs" allow much more leeway -and thus produce far less guilt - hence the reason they originally spun off hundreds of years ago

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Nov 16, 2006 7:13pm
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Do Catholics actually have the most and more rigid rules when it comes to behavior? I can name several of the more rigid Christian sects that are far less indulgent toward behavior. The Nazarenes come to mind right off the bat. One of my roomates in the Army was a Nazarene, and he pretty much filled me in on their various rules: no swearing, no drinking, no dancing, no smoking, etc., etc. Dude, he was weird. And he would always try to convert me to his cause, leaving little religious pamphlets on my pillow when i'd come in from a long nite of revelling. Hell, i'd purposely swear in front of him, get all descriptive about what he's missing out on. He never listened, just turned up the volume on whatever religious programming he had on the radio.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 16, 2006 7:26pm
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Nazarenes are simply a group of "born agains" that actually gave themselves a name. they are not truly a religious sect in the same vein as Baptists, Congregationalists, Calvinists, Methodists, etc. They are a whole different ball game much like the wack jobs that call themselves the Church of Latter Day Saints (my apologies to any of the LMA posters who adhere to that belief).

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Nov 16, 2006 7:44pm
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Vernon Wayne Howell, aka David Koresh anyone?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 16, 2006 7:57pm
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my point exactly (although a complete perversion)

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 16, 2006 7:25pm
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more rigid rituals maybe but definately not the most rigid rules. Ever spent any time with what seems to have completely hijacked Christianity? The fundelmentalists and Pentacostles? Talk about a bum trip. Seems to me all the love and forgiveness has been flushed down the toilet in exchange for this moral superiority complex.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 16, 2006 7:46pm
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more versions or born agains - no historical basis for their sects (not raggin on your post) - plus, the rate of sexual abuse in pentacostals/fundamentalist/born agains rivals catholic priests (although they dont always target little boys, just blindly following women and young girls) - sadly ive known a few

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Nov 16, 2006 8:20pm
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yeah, didn't think about that ... the trend toward abberational behavior in the sects that stifle/limit/suppress one's natural and human urges. and if i recall correctly, sinning is all part of living, just as is forgiveness

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 17, 2006 8:58am
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One ( of many ) major problem I have is only " saved" people get any consideration or forgiveness with these people. Everyone else is going to hell. Just completely impossible for me to buy into this mindset not to mention the whole taking the book literally thing. I worked with a guy who had all sorts of " scientific" answers on how the world is 6000 years old. Would blow your mind.

Ok, sorry for keeping this going. I better stop before I piss someone off.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 17, 2006 9:13am
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JOhnyy have you hit the nail on the head with those comments. The first woman i dated when seperating from my wife was a major league born again (although a hypocrite since she was married at the time). She thought the exact same things as you spoke of, and more!! spent endless time arguing back and forth (which, surprise surprise, entertained me to no end.) the "stuff" that her "church" would "teach" was simply mindblowing in its utter inanity! I suppose i really should have gone to one of the services for a hoot, but i was afraid i would be lynched if i had the wrong look on my face :)

(she was insane, but she was damn good in bed - so it was all cool :) - glad to be rid of her now though - sure she feels likewise)

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Nov 17, 2006 9:44am
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It's the hypocrite's that give true Christianity a bad rap.
Some of the kindest people I know are Christian-they know that only God knows your heart. Christ hung out with sinners and changed water into wine...nuff said
Btw, I've never met a christian who wanted to saw off my head (yet)

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Poster: mcglone Date: Nov 17, 2006 10:15am
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Btw, I've never met a christian who wanted to saw off my head (yet)

so you've MET other folks of different faiths that want to see you decapitated?

you most live in one nasty neighbourhood.


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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 17, 2006 10:37am
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i think a couple of LMA poster have wanted to see ME decapitated in the past :)

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Nov 17, 2006 10:41am
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hmmmm...is Tito ever to return from banishment?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 17, 2006 10:59am
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wow - you knew one of the posters to whom i was referring - lol

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 17, 2006 10:18am
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I've met "Christians" (cough, cough) who have told me that it is justified to kill a doctor that performs abortions.

... They say love your brother but you will catch it when you try ...

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Poster: mcglone Date: Nov 17, 2006 10:24am
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i have more faith in the tooth fairy than i do in any deity.

ogranized religon has done far more damage in history than it has good.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 17, 2006 10:29am
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amen.

Bonnie Raitt has a great quote along the line of:

"Religion is for people who are afraid of hell; spirituality is for those of us who've been there"

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Nov 17, 2006 10:27am
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I think the love of $$$ has done more damage in history.
Also the 12th century sword of Islam and WW2 Japanese Shintoism.
Christ taught peace and love imo. Speaking on abortion, if one wants to murder their innocent unborn, God can sort them out in the here-after. I agree with the Pope concerning capital punishment and abortion. Murder is murder-when an Islamic terrorist tried to murder John Paul, he forgave him. I'd say some organized Christian religions suck, but not all. But what do I know? I belive in God in a personal way- when i was a kid, the tooth fairy was all about money. But hey man, let it all hang out!

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Poster: mcglone Date: Nov 18, 2006 4:11am
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"when i was a kid, the tooth fairy was all about money. But hey man, let it all hang out!"

and when i went to church as a child there was always the collection basket.

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Poster: mcglone Date: Nov 17, 2006 10:55am
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i always find to odd when a man condemns a woman for exercising her right to choose. her body = her right. how in the f#@% do you get a say in the matter?

i want nothing to to with a god that has a place readied up in hell for a terrified, alone, pregnant teenage girl with nowhere to turn.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 17, 2006 11:15am
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I see your point but what about the women who use their kids to extort money? I agree you can't force someone to do something with their body but the lame part of this is that this mindset also perpetuates this matriarch society that sets mothers as a more nescessary parental figure than fathers. Naturally I take this personally as a loving devoted Dad who had to eat a LOT of shit before I got EQUAL custody of my kids. Even then we aren't seen as equal as I still pay HER in addition to providing most extras for my kids. Am I bitter? You damn right but I don't let my kids know. I'm at least grateful that I get to be EQUALLY involved in their lives. Trust me it SUCKS to have your kids ripped from you and have your rights dictated to you by a stranger - the courts.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 17, 2006 11:05am
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"i want nothing to to with a god that has a place readied up in hell for a terrified, alone, pregnant teenage girl with nowhere to turn. "

although i think it is mostly the girl's fault for getting herself in that predicament, I agree, i have trouble with a vision of a god condemning her to eternal hell for aborting also. that is just way too far on the fundamentalist side of christianity. any god i believe in must be forgiving if one asks to be forgiven. not that one can just walk through life purposefully being "bad" and saying "oops, sorry, forgiveme" - but you get what i mean.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 17, 2006 10:41am
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only true on a certain level (not to start a monstrous debate) - religion has generally been used as simply a "tool" to whip up the fervor of the populace in order to get them to do the bidding of "the powers that be" ie - land grabs etc etc. the leaders are rarely motivated by religion at all (historically speaking anyways). the crusades are a prime example as is most of the problems in the middle east and in ireland.

religion in and of itself is certainly not "bad" - it is the misuse of it by power hungry individuals. i'll admit i certainly tend more toward the spiritual than the religious, but just my two cents anyways.

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Nov 17, 2006 10:52am
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hear-hear-dire, I'll drink to that!

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 17, 2006 10:57am
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Religion happens inside an individual. That is why 'organized religion' doesn't work. It's a farce.

I would agree that organized religion feeds on the lost and fearful among us.

Develope your moral strength and stand on your own! Family is a great religion and a super, earthly reason to be 'good'.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 17, 2006 11:14am
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but without the original teachings of and "organized religioin", i'm not convinced the individual would be able to generate a moral compass from a blank slate. humans must be taught certain things from somewhere.

(this is getting way too deep)
like i should talk - i can't honestly say i go to church either.

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 17, 2006 11:35am
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Yeah, I'm not sure why I'm involved here either. It's such a personal subject and obviously really difficult to describe how I feel about religion or even what religion is.

I guess I TRY and be a good monkey every day. But I wonder why I feel the NEED to be good, and why so many fucked-up individuals do not feel that need...

P.S. - Johnny, I hope this carifies my position. I do not thing Atheists or Agnostics or people in general are bad. I think we are all challenged in that area of life. I'm just curious how folks w/ differing beliefs deal w/ that challenge. Never meant any offense, brother.;)

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 17, 2006 12:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History of the World - Hey Johnny, please read

Of course no offense. We're just talking. I enjoy talking about things of a deep and controversial nature just as I enjoy talking about things of the opposite inane immature nature : )

Have a great trip!

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 17, 2006 12:35pm
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Yeah. I thought so, but just wanted to be sure. Lots of good friends here and I'd like to keep it that way. Religion is a dagerous topic. More dangerous than politics...no?

Take the 'o' out of god and you get GD. That's our religion 'round here.

The above statement will be my boiler-plate response to future questions regarding religion...!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 17, 2006 12:53pm
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"Lots of good friends here and I'd like to keep it that way"

yeah...whatever dude!! I hope Mickey Mouse nibbles on your butt while you are sleeping, so your bumbum hurts while you go on Mr. Toad's Wild Ride!!

So there :-P

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 17, 2006 12:57pm
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Man, I hope you were smiling when you wrote that about my butt. I just got done kissing yours!!!LOL!!!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 17, 2006 1:15pm
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dude - you know i ALWAYS smile when i write and think about your butt (sweetie)!!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 17, 2006 1:22pm
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That's it, I'm going to have sit down with Rev. Taggard this Sunday and pray for you both to change your sinful ways.

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Poster: mcglone Date: Nov 17, 2006 11:54am
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i'm now lost... i thought you were addressing me?

oh well. enjoy your vacation!

ian

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 17, 2006 11:56am
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I think I was addressing both of you. Sorry to confuse. You guys both replied and I felt mis-understood. Just wanted to clarify....

Thanks for the kind wishes. I plan to have a superb vacation...

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 17, 2006 12:19pm
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I disagree with you Dire. Not completely but somewhat. For instance personality I know for a FACT starts in the womb and seems to be at LEAST as much formed from birth than from environment. I used to think environment more but then seeing my polar opposite kids raised in the same environment makes me beleive otherwise. Also, I believe humans are inherintly more good than bad.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 17, 2006 12:33pm
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hmmmmm - i certainly agree with your assessment of prebirth personality. my two girls are quite different as well.
as far as humans being more inherently good than bad, im not as sure. i think humans will try and get away with whatever they can and the only thing stopping us is either fear of punishment (religion based or law based) or the morals instilled upon us by our parents/environment (which includes some type of religion usually - whether tribal or organized). way too deep of a conversation to play with in a forum i suppose and no proveable answer (that i know of anyways)

then again - as highflow and cosmic pointed out, direwolves have very small brains, so i am automatically most likely wrong.

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Nov 17, 2006 12:40pm
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ouch! my apologies dire, my stupid attempts at humour...
think I'll crawl back into my hole

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 17, 2006 12:55pm
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ooops - i hope that apology is of the sarcastic variety.

you know i love abusive humor man :)
I laughed over that one and highflows response for quite a while - it great!!! i love that shit :)

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 17, 2006 1:02pm
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Nah, I still think we're more good than bad. Think about how much damage a person COULD do. Picture Grand Theft auto for instance. Clubbing old ladies over the head just so you can. It isn't just fear that keeps people with a sense of right and wrong. I think MOST people have sympathy and empathy and it's not coming just from Church. I agree that having decent parents is a major factor but it's not the only one.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 17, 2006 1:07pm
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Although I am not entirely convinced, i certainly cannot sit here and say that you are definitely wrong. In fact, I would suppose that more people would agree with you than with me in this discussion. I suppose it is a sad statement upon myself that I do not have more faith in human nature. Not sure why that is. Maybe I should be searching more inward than philosphizing outward when contemplating these interesting theories of human nature.

Either that or I should have a beer!!!

Better yet, this would be a great conversation at a table with a twelve pack and some good dead tunes dont ya think :)

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 17, 2006 1:25pm
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I don't know. Many people think we're inherintly evil, maybe we are. Of course I'm way out on a limb in that I don't even believe good and evil exist, just our perceptions of what good and evil are.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 17, 2006 1:38pm
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well, certainly different cultures, tribes, etc have differing ideologies on what is considered good and what is considered evil. So i would say you are right. Pure good and Pure evil really dont exist - it IS our perception of them that actually defines them (atleast on a cultural level, if not an individual).

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Nov 17, 2006 4:26pm
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it's easy, I'm good and everything else is evil ;)


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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 17, 2006 1:06pm
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It's science. Frontal lobe...

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 17, 2006 12:46pm
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Direwolf IS god. I'll bet if we did a 'Favorite Poster' poll, dire would be an overwhelming favorite. I love all you guys and lehighvet(now defunct), max chorak and others have had some supreme topics lately, which have really kept this forum jumping. BUT, Dire tends to be the glue. Everybody loves to chat-up the Wolf. It's like the pretty girl in 4th grade. You tease her, because you like her. Dire, you are my 4th grade crush...ew!

How's that? Feeling better? The warm glow?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 17, 2006 12:59pm
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you're killing me man!! lmao!!

abusive humor rules :)

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 17, 2006 10:30am
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If you don't believe in God or other "higher power", do you believe in kharma?

I ask because I always wonder how atheists manage "the moral compass". In other words, if you don't believe in 'something bigger' or 'after-life' why be a good person while you are here.

I DO believe there is 'something' which we cannot comprehend. I am not sure WHAT will happen to me, but I keep my compass pointed toward truth and kindness. No matter what you believe, that should be your heading, but to atheists, why??? If you are a mold spore, be a bad mold spore. There is no down-side. Right? Am I missing something?

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Poster: mcglone Date: Nov 17, 2006 10:57am
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i really don't care for labels man. if i must, i suppose i'm agnostic. isn't the golden rule really a spin on kharma? i have faith in my family, my partner, some friends and once in a blue moon myself. i'm a first generation canadian, my folks are right off the boat irish, so i was brought up catholic, they still practice. at an early age i dismissed their faith and went for long walks, usually with a fishing pole in hand while they attended mass. i get off on sunsets, not scripture.

ian

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Poster: mcglone Date: Nov 17, 2006 11:29am
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i really don't care for labels man. if you must, i suppose i'm agnostic. isn't the golden rule really a spin on kharma? i have faith in my family, my partner, some friends and once in a blue moon myself. i'm a first generation canadian, my folks are right off the boat irish, so i was brought up catholic, they still practice. at an early age i dismissed their faith and went for long walks, usually with a fishing pole in hand while they attended mass. i get off on sunsets, not scripture.

ian

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 17, 2006 10:59am
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Yeah, you are missing something. First of all I'm not an athiest I'm agnostic, BIG difference. Second, why the assumption that we are inherently bad? How do you explain that most if not all animals don't kill or screw with things except to survive? Surely they aren't probably on the intellectual level to think about God. So where does the moral compass of a deer come from?

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 17, 2006 10:22am
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Going by your comments I'm thinking you're referring to Muslims and the American superiority complex that we are righteous and all Muslims are violent terrorists? My contention is that ALL religious fundelmentalism leads to DANGEROUS self righteousness which leads to the oppression of everyone else whether that oppression is violent or civil, it allways leads to that.

I wish I could say that all the Christians I meet are as you describe Charlie but unfortunatly the ones I meet are primarily narrow minded Hypocrites. They very much think that if one professes to be Christian then it is assumed they are more moral than those who don't beleive the same thing. This offends me greatly. Do I not love and care for my kids? Do I not try and be just as kind to my fellow man? Do I spend my time in a vacuum beleiving that I am superior in my beleifs? In my perspective anyone who claims they know - not beleive or feel but KNOW - something of that magnitude is suspect with me. That goes for Athiests too.

I love most of the messages of the new testament but I would like to know why only SELECT things from the Bible get pushed. It's all the vengance and morality crap but the MAJOR theme is SUPPOSED to be about helping the LESS fortunate. No where in ANY Bible I know says a true servant of God should be loaded with cash and forcing their will through laws on everybody else. I believe Christ said render on to Caesers that which is Caesers and render onto God that which is his. Instead we get huge blocks of Fundementalist with NOTHING better to do than point their narrow minded fingers on Gays, and other immoral fornicators. It's ALL about puritancial fear of Sex as far as I can see it. In fact the ONLY two issues I see coming from these people are anti gay and anti abortion. On the latter they want to make illegal and yet how many hard core pro lifers are adopting unwanted children? How man pro lifers want to fund programs to help people? No they only want to vote for people who have the same " morals" while they're f'N us all over and selling this Country out. It's OK if Corporations hide their money overseas so they don't have to pay taxes and put people out of work while their CEO's make a THOUSAND times more $ than the average worker. IT's OK that they take all of the money they make HERE and invest it overseas. It's all ok as long as their representative is anti-gay and pro"life".

Again I could care less except the fact that they are succesfully turning this Country to only fit them. They are trying to re-write history and are succeeding. Unfortunatly not enough people know enough about History to learn that this Country was NOT founded by Bible thumpers, not by a long shot. God was not on our money or in the Pleadge of Allegiance until the 50's which big surprise was also the Mcarthy era too.

I could go on and on

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Poster: mcglone Date: Nov 17, 2006 12:04pm
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i had to post this again. next time your here the term fundamentalist , harken back to this clip... there not all in afghan boot camps.

http://www.apple.com/trailers/magnolia/jesuscamp/trailer/

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 17, 2006 12:13pm
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damn, couldn't get that to run - got the broken film sprocket symbol

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Poster: mcglone Date: Nov 17, 2006 12:19pm
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i'm on G5, so quick time isn't a problem at this end. try again later, you'll either laugh or cry or both.

be sure to look out for ted haggard!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 17, 2006 12:22pm
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I'm so friggin stupid, I don't even know what G5 is?? (don't laugh)

Hey, that guy looks familiar - i think ive seen him before and had a good laugh. I just love watching some of those evangelists (if i am thinking of the right guy) - way too funny!! how people can fall for that is beyond me...

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Poster: mcglone Date: Nov 17, 2006 12:29pm
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dire, refresh, restart do what ever it is you have to do and catch that trailer.

Ted Arthur Haggard (born June 27, 1956) is a former American evangelical preacher. Known as Pastor Ted to the congregation he once served, he is the founder and former pastor of the New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado, and was a founder of the Association of Life-Giving Churches.

On November 3, 2006, he resigned his leadership of the National Association of Evangelicals[1] and stepped aside as pastor of his church because of allegations by former prostitute[2] and masseur Mike Jones that Haggard engaged in sex with him for three years and used methamphetamine. Jones said he had only recently learned of Haggard's true identity and explained his reasons for coming forward by saying, "It made me angry that here’s someone preaching about gay marriage and going behind the scenes having gay sex." Haggard at first claimed he had never met his accuser and in a television interview said "I am steady with my wife. I’m faithful to my wife."[3] And later, on November 5, in a statement Haggard said, "The fact is I am guilty of sexual immorality."[4]

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Nov 17, 2006 12:34pm
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Haggard represents true Christianity like Bush represents true conservatives.

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Poster: mcglone Date: Nov 17, 2006 12:44pm
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hey man, your're the one that's quick to point out islamic extremists as almost representing the norm. i'm just offering another percpective.




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Poster: mcglone Date: Nov 17, 2006 1:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History of the World

charlie,

all things from 'over there' aren't bad.

as a peace offering, please let me send you a live recording of the great qawwali singer, nusrat fateh ali khan.

he was to sufi devotional music, what mahalia jackson was to gospel.



ian

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Nov 18, 2006 9:26am
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i hope you got the gist of that Taggart/Bush comparison,
both are hippocraps to their faith/political stance
I'm gone for the weekend...
And for anyone into the UFC 65 tonight, WAR GSP & MONSON!!!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 17, 2006 12:38pm
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ohh man, my memory is pathetic - thanks for jumpstarting it - i remember now reading about him - no wonder he looked so familiar (duh). what a dirtbag!!!

i'll keep working on the clip.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 17, 2006 12:19pm
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I loved that Jon Stewart spoke to him through a "glory hole" on the Daily Show. It's always the biggest homophobes. . .

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Nov 17, 2006 12:31pm
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I get a big kick out of "The Word" and Mencia has the funnist skit > The battle of the Gods.
I wonder if youtube has that one...

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Poster: mcglone Date: Nov 17, 2006 12:27pm
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so true: see former spokane mayor jim west. frontline sure did.

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Nov 17, 2006 12:25pm
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bluedevil....i can't fault Jerry's words, he speaks the truth. Just jokin around, dire....i've always enjoyed good humour- as long as it's at some others expense

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 17, 2006 11:55am
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Boy do I know how to kill a thread or what?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 17, 2006 12:07pm
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that entire thread started getting confusing regarding who was talking to who - lol.

I hope no one took offense to anything I said - nothing personal was meant by anything. I was only speaking on pure "historical" or "philosphical" type terms. sometimes debating on a forum can come across incorrectly - my apologies if anything did.

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Nov 17, 2006 12:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History of the World

hey dire, is the 0701 your B-day?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 17, 2006 12:19pm
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yes sir, it most certainly is :)

i think???? - not sure i can remember though - my smaller than average brain can't hold much information :-P

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Nov 17, 2006 12:05pm
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i can destroy a thread better than most- lol
actually, there are 2 Sunday TV preachers i enjoy, if I mentioned their names, I'd be flamed from here to hell & back. Initials: Dr.GS (now deceased-RIP) & Dr.FP

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 17, 2006 12:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History of the World

Great Americans weigh in:

"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."
Thomas Jefferson (emphasis on the orthodox)

"The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma."
Abraham Lincoln
"I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies."

"Lighthouses are more helpful then churches."

Benjamin Franklin

"If you want to get together in any exclusive situation and have people love you, fine- but to hang all this desperate sociology on the idea of The Cloud-Guy who has The Big Book, who knows if you've been bad or good- and CARES about any of it- to hang it all on that, folks, is the chimpanzee part of the brain working. "

Frank Zappa

And from an interview with Garcia:
David: What's your concept of God if you have one?

Jerry: I was raised a Catholic so it's very hard for me to get out of that way of thinking. Fundamentally I'm a Christian in that I believe that to love your enemy is a good idea somehow. Also, I feel that I'm enclosed within a Christian framework so huge that I don't believe it's possible to escape it, it's so much a part of the western point of view. So I admit it, and I also believe that real christianity is okay. I just don't like the exclusivity clause.

But as far as God goes, I think that there is a higher order of intelligence something along the lines of whatever it is that makes the DNA work. Whatever it is that keeps our bodies functioning and our cells changing, the organizing principle - whatever it is that created all these wonderful life-forms that we're surrounded by in its incredible detail.

There's definitely a huge vast wisdom of some kind at work here. Whether it's personal - whether there's a point of view in there, or whether we're the point of view, I think is up for discussion. I don't believe in a supernatural being.

Rebecca: What about your personal experience of what you may have described as God?

Jerry: I've been spoken to by a higher order of intelligence - I thought it was God. It was a very personal God in that it had exactly the same sense of humor that I have.(laughter) I interpret that as being the next level of consciousness, but maybe there's a hierarchical set of consciousnesses. My experience is that there is one smarter than me, that can talk to me, and there's also the biological one that I spoke about.

David: Do you feel that there's a divine plan at work in nature?

Jerry: I don't know about a plan. I don't know whether it cares to express itself that way or even if matters such as developmental constructs along time have any relevance to this particular God point of view. It may be a steady-state God that exists out beyond space-time beyond our experience, or around it, or contemporary with it, or it may function in the moment - I have no idea.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 17, 2006 9:09am
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"Let me give you a little inside information about God. God likes to watch. He's a prankster. Think about it. He gives man instincts. He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does He do, I swear for His own amusement, his own private, cosmic gag reel, He sets the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. Look but don't touch. Touch, but don't taste. Taste, don't swallow. Ahaha. And while you're jumpin' from one foot to the next, what is he doing? He's laughin' His sick, fuckin' ass off! He's a tight-ass! He's a SADIST! He's an absentee landlord! Worship that? NEVER!"

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 16, 2006 7:24pm
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Well as far as Christians go I have to say they're at least the easiest for me to get along with with all that swearing and drinking